Trilogy Death and too many wizards and thieves and vampires

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I don't read fantasy, but I'm with you on the mundanities of life appearing in fiction. Although in fantasy, I suppose the cop-out answer to "where does all the food come from?" would be "Magic(k)!"

Re trilogizing, one thing I have heard in the SF/Fantasy genres is that the main booksellers (Borders, B&N) don't want to stock novels above a certain length from a mid-list author, so the publisher is forced to chop single novels into two. I guess from there it may be a short step to, "well, why not a trilogy?"
Yup, that is fully 50% of the cause behind this phenomenon. The other 50% of the cause is author/editor failure to actually write three books worth of story. Bastards.
Magic(k) with a 'k' is one of the problems behind fantasy... I pretty much agree with your assessment of the situation!
Hear, hear! I haven't come across the series you've listed here, but I feel the same way about others in the genre. There are of course, notable exceptions, but most of these have something else going for them that keep them out of this bucket of PLEASE-make-him-something-besides-a-wizard or yet-ANOTHER-chapter-of-X's-love-life-as-a-standalone-novel.
That's one thing I always liked about The Talisman, is that you meet farmers and teachers and, of course, cops.
Oh, how the truth does burn. Take, for example, Mercedes Lackey's complete inability to write anything that doesn't turn into a trilogy. Or Robin Cook's Assassin trilogy, whose main character is a combination wizard/assassin (this series fails in that it also has a follow-up trilogy). The Eragon trilogy, which sadly lack any sort of unpredictability. Actually, the entire YA fiction market is suffering from a glut of just what you've described, which is dreadful, because who wants America's youth to grow up reading crappy SF/F? Think about the children, people!
I don't read a lot of fantasy (well, maybe I have, but it's not my primary genre), but I recently discovered The Merlin Trilogy (Crystal Cave, et al). Yes, it's a trilogy lol. Yes, it's about a wizard! But one of my favorite things about how his legend is presented in this series is that Merlin is trained first and foremost as an engineer. And at least some of his magic-making ability is credited to that skill.
Well, that's the thing--wizard trilogies can be good. I stake my earliest interest in fantasy on LeGuin's Earthsea Trilogy-now-Quadrilogy. It's just like any other overdone concept. Once the hacks jump on board the boat starts to sink. I'll check out The Merlin Trilogy.
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Here's the thing: what the eff is the magic for?

I love when magic is enfolded into stories with purpose. I'm more of a fantasy TV fan than I am a reader. And I feel the magic must exist in a believable context that fuels the world of the characters or its pointless.
I find the useless magic totally crazy-making. Like Monette's first book, the characters and voice were really compelling, but then I began to realize the magic was only used to deal with magicky stuff. It's like the aspect I hated about Mad Max. The crazy people only seemed interested in gasoline for the sake of driving around in their crazy cars. Um...wha?
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How do you feel about Lois McMaster Bujold? Her last series went to a quintology, but I think she meant to do that--the books were related but each had a separate story arc.

Who's an author you like? Because I'm looking for something new to read, but when I look at the bookstore everything on the shelf looks exactly like what you're writing about here. I'm looking for a new George RR Martin who writes faster.

I forgot to add--a candy maker in a fantasy novel? Do you have recipes? Does your world have sugar?
I like Bujold, although I prefer her stand alone books. Obvy, I like LeGuin a great deal. I do recommend the first books of Monette's and Lynch's--I just don't recommend the following ones ;o) I like Carol Berg, Tad Williams, Joe Abercrombie. Probably more I can't think of right now.

Good analogy. I found that shit all very pointless, as well.
Oh, I was going to say that I liked Berg's Avonar series, because in it the wizards are outcasts and get burned at the stake and the like. (So it's like a little revenge moment for me ;o) The weird thing about Berg--NO sex in her books. In the Avonar series there's a husband and wife, and the wife has believed her husband dead for several years. When they're reunited, I think they hug each other. Not even a hint of anything sexual behind scenes. Odd.

As for my candy maker, she's still an apprentice. I don't include recipes, but think of exotic, foreign candies that just seem weird--green tea, tomatoes, roses, coriander.

Then there is Robert Jordan's the Wheel of Time series. He died last year, but someone else is finishing the twelth volume of this monument to treekilling. I remember reading the first volume, and feeling excited. Then the second volume came out, and I was mildly intrigued. Then the third volume came out, and was clearly not an ending. I said Uhoh, and stopped reading. I regret having turned a friend on to the books; she was not able to pull herself out of the vortex. By the time the last book is published, close to 10,000 pages will have been wasted turning a good story into a nightmarish trek. Nine times longer, and ten times less interesting than Tolkien's trilogy.

It is his fault, you know. I was a huge fan of Tolkien, but refused to ever pick up the Silmarillion, and won't read the latest venture from his son. Everything I needed was in those three volumes already.

I have forgiven Tolkien, because without his success, I wouldn't have ever read Mervyn Peake, or Ursula Leguin, or Gene Wolfe. And that would have been a shame. But it is a weighty chain, akin to that lugged along by Marley, that his ghost must carry throughout eternity.

Yeah, I can't help but feel that Robert Jordan invented Trilogy Death. Although his went far beyond, it pretty much died for me at Book Three. And the whole notion of anyone "finishing" another writer's work makes my flesh crawl.

You'd be better off reading TH White's The Once and Future King.

Jellies or hard candies? What's your sweetener? Sorry, having a little material culture/fanfiction fugue...pay no attention. But the idea of a candy maker makes me think of Dorothy Dunnett's Race of Scorpions, where sugar was worth a king's ransom. It's historical fiction, but if you know as little of history as I do it might as well be fantasy. It's also something like book five in a hefty series of eight.

Other random thoughts occasioned by this thread: what fantasy books written by an economist would be like, and Joss Whedon's use of the Book of Thoth on narrative structure, but that's completely sending the Topic Train off on a siding.
Um, let's see--the rose candies are a kind of unsweetened pastille. The coriander is ropy, like taffy, and made of beet sugar.
Always liked that LeGuin's wizards spend time doing things like putting good luck spells on fishing boats and healing goats.
And.....
with my encroaching senility it is terrible buying new books.
They are always going to be continued later, when I won't remember who the author is anymore.
Or I see an interesting book, but it's volume two and volume one is nowhere to be seen.
So I have to remember that I need to find volume one.
See senility,above.
I absolutely love it when I can find someone who writes a story that fits into one book.

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