Stickin' it to the Woman

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yay for Lily Ledbetter, boo to sticking it to the woman and being treated like subhumans!!
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I must be weird, because I generally prefer to have female bosses in my jobs, and in fact to spend most of my time around women. I don't like girlie things, but I do prefer their company.

I heard about the Ledbetter ruling when it was fresh news, and I was disgusted with it then and still am. Glad it was overturned.
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We've had females in my office tell tales of having to get coffee for guests while in meetings with other staff members who are male AND lower on the totem pole and yet...it was clear who had to go get the coffee. A couple of them have simply stopped doing it.

Another thing that is so complicated about the unequal pay issue in our country isn't only about the job descriptions matching with the pay being unequal. The other issue is the major shift in productivity after WWII and then, finally, the 60's when women really started moving into the workforce at a greater rate. Women have always been in the work force, naturally, but the jobs were different. They started taking over jobs that were only held by males and then eventually, once women became the vast majority in these jobs, the pay went down BIG time. Some jobs even lost opportunities for salary. Bank tellers, secretaries, phone operators, etc...all of those jobs paid very well until women took over.

Anyway, I'm sure you know this. So I guess my point is, we've never made up for it. So cycle continues to put women into the jobs that simply pay less. It would be really difficult to legislate on behalf of that specific issue, so I'm just glad to hear that at least the other is being addressed.

Lily was indubitably a woman of great courage. In all the positions I have held, I have always had the ear of a top level executive and I have always bent that ear mercilessly to inform and advocate on behalf of all the other women in my departments. In my experience, other women in the offices I've worked have not been supportive and, in fact, spent their time backbiting and pissing on each other. Maybe they've been afraid of the punishment, maybe afraid of the progress.

Yeah...it's going to take a long time to counteract all the bad shit that's become institutionalized, but at least Obama seems interested in doing something about it. Yays! As for the coffee thing in meetings, that's exactly what I'm talking about the Stockholm Syndrome. It took me ages to even see that for what it was, because I was so used to being treated that way in my family.
A lot of those backbiters are probably just indoctrinated. They're like the hostages who start helping the kidnappers to control the other hostages. Perhaps in hopes of being rewarded for their "loyalty." Invisible Man contains some great examples of that kind of behavior.
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Pay should be based on qualifications and performance. Period. This is a step in the right direction.
Definitely A Good Thing.
(Now, if we can just get one of those Conservative Farts on the court replaced, we won't have to go around cleaning up their messes like this....)
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Yup. Lived this...still am...and it still pisses me off!
Sorry to be the turd in the punchbowl here, but <a href="http://www.capwiz.com/now/issues/alert/?alertid=12539436
">do not overestimate Obama's commitment to women...</a>

NOW actually softens what happened. <a href="http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/obama_on_family_planning_funds.php">Read here:</a>

Gahhh...Why won't it let me make links?

Okay, one more time.


Well, as I've said...I don't think Obama is a messiah. So I'm not expecting him to work miracles in his first few weeks in office. Small steps are better than the eight years of back steps we've had. Besides, the family planning thing is always going to be a harder sell than the salary issues. Because some people are just crazy stupid.
Yeah, but...here's the thing. Obama asked the Dems to drop it, in order to get Republicans on board. Guess what? No Republicans came on board.

There is no point to starting a negotiation by compromising with these people, because they don't compromise. And given other things Obama has said re: women's reproductive rights, I question his commitment to them. He shouldn't be giving me more reasons to question them. Sort of like with what happened with Prop. 8 and Rick Warren - his track record with that community is a little shaky as it is. "Little" things (like scheduling Gene Robinson before the HBO broadcast) mean more in that context.

Don't get me wrong. I'm thrilled about Ledbetter. I like that we are going to have a somewhat green stimulus bill. I'm not so thrilled that only 18% of the bill goes to infrastructure and 33% goes to tax cuts. Oh, by the way, please push to support the House version - it's slightly better than the Senate's and at least includes more funding for mass transit.

Google Representative Peter Defazio and Rachel Maddow if you want to see a discussion of that whole tangle.

My feeling is, we can't afford to assume that President Obama is on our side, and if we don't push back and push back hard, we are likely to be very disappointed by what he does and doesn't do.

Stepping off soapbox now.

I guess I've never been under the illusion that Dems actually support women's reproductive rights. From my days working for PP, let me just say: they've caved everywhere on them, at every turn. So none of this news to me. I never got the impression during the campaign that Obama was any different. I think people just weren't looking deeply enough during the campaign and now they're feeling betrayed or let down. I'm just feeling my usual cynical with a small dash of hope. It's like Tabasco. ;o)

"cynical with a small dash of hope."

Yeah, I like that.

As for "no compromising" with conservatives....that's for sure. Ugh.
I happy for any steps forward, but every one is going to be hard earned, as I guess good things should be.

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This is why I am so torn about Unions. They offer equal pay for equal work, but they also pander to the lowest common denominator. It's a Catch-22 situation. Sure, you get paid well, but you only have to perfom as well as the worst performer to be secure in your job... Ugh...
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This is quite the coincidence... just last night, in my capacity as staff representative, I was arguing that collective bargaining was better than individual negotiation because individual negotiation could lead to women being paid less than men because women are less likely to demand a higher salary.

And this morning, I observed (to myself) that when I (or my female colleague) make tea I end up making tea for everyone else in my immediate vicinity because I always ask, but when the male lawyer makes tea / coffee it is generally only for himself.

I was never a person who spotted gender discrimination everywhere I looked, but I have noticed that in this job there are more instances of discrimination than I expected a modern, professional workplace to have. The thing that really shocks me is that the organisation won't implement an anti-discrimination policy because they really believe it doesn't happen. SIGH.

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