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The universe would be so much better off if we are able to successfully blow ourselves up before we infect another planet. I'm guessing it won't be that hard, all we need to do is stay the course.
I have a huge problem with space exploration to begin with. I almost cry when I hear of the tens and hundreds of BILLIONS of government dollars that go into this type of thing - and I'm not even American (Canada's budget would be a drop of spit in the 100-gallon barrel that is NASA's budget)! It all comes down to the ability to prioritize, and the world (read: the US) can't even to get that right. It's beyond galling to realize that we feel we're so important that we should be looking at colonizing other planets, to which we aren't even suited without massive changes anyway (way to start off well), when we can't even take care of our own here. Positively shameful.
Yup, arbed. I am with you. The simplest cost/benefit analysis reveals that NASA has been a failure. We have almost nothing to show for the amount of money we've paid. Plus, I confess, I'm one of those weirdos who don't even believe that we went to the moon.

"Stay the course..." Now where have I heard that before?

Ditto, arbed. I've felt that way for years, but apparently until cnn.com does a poll of how US Citizens feel on the subject, no one will pay any attention.

Kinda interesting to think of us as the "Martians" invading other planets. huh? I can't wait to anal probe some weird critter I meet!

Hmmm...Cranky...there is still so much we don't know about your species. LOL!
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Lol! Um, Redz, YOU can probe cranky and let us know what you find out. :P
Good article, though. I agree on so many points.

I am one who thinks that the idea of space travel and exploration and, well, just the general pursuit of all types of knowledge are a very good thing, though. It may seem like wasted money, as far as ...oh, the Moon, or Mars but omg when you see pictures taken by telescopes mounted on satellites that can see galaxies almost to the edge of the universe...and when you can see billions of years back in time.....and when you can see how tiny and insignificant we are in this universe, but realize that we can still sit here and wonder about it, and try to fathom it, well, I get all goosebumpy.

Can you imagine if people DID put their power, their money, their energy and their time into noble endeavors, rather than stupid shitty stuff like powermongering and genocide?
Can you imagine of the whole world got TOGETHER and worked towards a certain project that would actually BENEFIT someone? Solar energy? Finding miracle drugs in rainforests and actually GROWING rainforests rather than bulldozing them? Landing on an asteroid and mining essential elements to use for housing, or new medical instruments, or ssssshhheeeet....I don't know, you name it. Cure cancer?

Maybe by giving people noble goals, or something for us to aim for, to make us aim to be better than what we are, the space program at least tried to do some good, even if, in a lot of ways it failed because, well, duh, humans were involved!

Ah, that was a fun rant! Thanks for listening! :)

Lauri - I don't disagree with you in regards to how it feels to see those type of things, but what does it do for us? What did those billions of dollars get us besides pretty pictures and a glimpse of the past? It doesn't help anything and you can be damned sure that, for example, those still displaced by Hurricane Katrina don't give a rats ass about those pretty pictures when they can't even get government help to get the basics of their lives back in order, like their own walls to hold those pretty pictures. I admit, I read all about that science/space stuff, usually when it's in Time magazine, which I buy, or some funky site online, but it still never fails to irk me.
What does technology, medicine and research do for us? I can't even begin to list the things. The lifespan of humans in civilized countries jumped nearly 20 years in the last 100 years. We have virtually wiped out hundreds of diseases. We have created affordable drugs that can slow down even viruses, and even stop a lot of them. Before long they will find ways to slow down and stop cancers. A vaccine against cervical cancer is out.
We have the ABILITY to get tons of cheap, effective antimalarial and antiaids drugs and vaccinations for many other diseases into the poorest of the poor countries.
The money is there. What is lacking is the will to do it. The space program and science and research are NOT taking money away from these things. YOU can be damn sure that even if the government did away with the space program, genetic research, stem cell research, nutrional science and any other project that someone feels is "wasted" money, they would still lack the organization, the motivation, the initiative and just plain the gumption to build people's walls back up. There is no lack of money. They are throwing money all over hell and gone at projects that are a billion times more useless than space/medical research. Oilsand??? How many freaking BILLIONS of dollars are going into finding ways to extract oil from sand in Canada so we can make MORE oil, MORE money, and put MORE greenhouse gases into the air?
Without science I have no idea how many of us would even BE here....well, shit, NONE of us would be HERE...on a damn blog, yakking our brains out at whothehellknowswho.

What I mean is a good majority of us would not even be alive if not for having lots of money spent on science, technology and medicine.

Don't blame science for the evils in the world. If our government WANTED the gulf coast rebuilt by now, it would already be done. They can find the time and the money for what they want done. And, it is usually self serving, petty, and of little use to the greater community.
May I say one more thing. I am not sure that the whole human race being wiped out would even BE a bad thing.
...as in by Stephen Hawking's asteroid, that is.
Lauri, I apologize if I pissed you off - I was specifically talking about the space program, as per my original comment, certainly not science in general
The problem from my perspective is that we went to space too soon, and should have spent more of our energies on scientific and medical advances that would benefit our lives here on earth. Lauri said, "Maybe by giving people noble goals, or something for us to aim for, to make us aim to be better than what we are, the space program at least tried to do some good." That I agree with, I just wish we had more noble goals than that. Imagine if Kennedy's challenge to America had been to wipe out poverty in the world, instead of going to the moon. Then suddenly we'd have a whole lot of successful societies pursuing science, instead of a few countries pursuing scientific knowledge and a whole lot of countries just trying to find the next meal. So, yay for us having the ability to do all the wonderful things you mention, but boo for the people who've led us down a different path.

And I want to say in a friendly way that you are silly :o) If the human race ain't worth saving, then none of our scientific advances are worth having.
Yes, I apologize, too, if I ranted a bit too much. Maybe I am pissed that scientific energies are not spent on noble goals. It really never seems to be about anything noble, does it? It's always who can beat whom, where. Must be the goddam testosterone again. "Let's go to the moon and drive around" per Jerry Seinfeld.

As a friend pointed out, they rebuilt the football stadium in New Orleans just FINE.

Ya know, I have the feeling that most of the guys/gals IN the space program are there for a noble reason. Whether the higher ups are or not.
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Great conversation, sorry I missed it. Belatedly, may I add this. It's worth distinguishing between the achievements of the Apollo (early) space program and the Space Shuttle (current) program for some of the reasons Lauri mentioned. Human beings and their intentions make a huge difference when it comes to both the inspirational and practical achievements of science/technology. It's impossible to discuss the general "value" of any one scientific pursuit without discussing the particular people involved and their intentions. The Space Shuttle program is a failure on many levels not because of budgetary issues (whether too much or too little) but because NASA, frankly, has lacked visionary leadership for decades. On the other hand, the achievements of the Apollo program were more than merely political or inspirational; they were many, specific, long-lived, and very practical. A short list: rechargeable batteries, Velcro, scanner bar code tags, cordless tools, small-scale video cameras, minicomputers. In other words, anyone who enjoys using an ATM, cell phone, PDA, or laptop owes a nod of thanks to the innovations developed specifically for the Apollo space program. So, should we continue to push at these particular boundaries of scientific exploration and human understanding? I say yes. This would not preclude addressing issues like hunger, poverty, homelessness, or fascism. Those who remember Apollo testify that it united Americans behind a single constructive (not hateful, not destructive) purpose, and that people all over the world felt its achievements as their own. Incidental practical benefits resulted, yes (as often do from any scientific pursuit that may not appear at the onset to have practical application), but in my opinion the greatest benefit of a "pointless" budget item like space exploration is its power to draw out the best in people and remind us of what we can be. A welcome reminder in times of global paranoia and tribalism.

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